[slinkelist] RE: Duplicate disk ID problem
Hoen, Dave
Dave.Hoen@emulex.com
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:55:01 -0800
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I know the following discussion is somewhat of a rehash of past posts =
about duplicate IDs, but I think it was always stated that it was just =
the nature of the beast and there wasn't anything that could be done =
about it. And I also remember some posts saying this has been improved =
and should rarely occur, if ever. But I have the same scenario as Jeff =
Schaffer, where CDDB has no problem ID'ing two disks individually with =
exact matches, but CDJ keeps getting the two of them confused. I don't =
understand why this is. If it were the other way around (CDDB having =
the problem instead of CDJ), I could believe it, but since CDJ obtains =
all the information that gets sent to CDDB, why is CDJ having a problem, =
and not CDDB?
My two disks exhibiting this problem are "Siouxsie And The Banshees - =
Hyaena" and "The Pointer Sisters - Serious Slammin'". For clarity in =
the following discussion, I will call them Disk A and Disk B =
respectively. They both have 10 songs and are both identical time in =
total length. Individual songs are different in length between the two =
disks, however. If I delete both disks from CDJ and then just put Disk =
A back in, it IDs it correctly using CDDB and works fine. If I then put =
in Disk B in another slot and attempt to ID it, CDJ assumes I have moved =
Disk A and reassigns its track data to this new slot where I have =
inserted Disk B. It does this without doing a CDDB inquiry. The old =
slot (which still has Disk A in it), is marked empty. If I now attempt =
to ID Disk A slot again, CDJ moves the track data back to the Disk A =
slot and the Disk B slot is marked empty (even though it still has Disk =
B in it). Thankfully, CDJ doesn't go back and see what is now in this =
newly empty slot, or it would get stuck in an endless loop. Disk A =
track data just keeps getting swapped back and forth everytime I try to =
ID the empty slot. After the initial exact match of Disk A on CDDB, it =
never goes back to CDDB for the Disk B data.
Now if I take both disks out and delete them from CDJ, then start the =
whole process over again beginning this time with Disk B, then I get an =
exact match of Disk B track data from CDDB. You guessed it. Now the =
Disk B track data gets swapped back and forth between the two slots, =
without ever going back to CDDB.
I know the solution is real simple: Decide which disk I like best, and =
deep six the other. Not a big deal, but it is driving me crazy. How =
come CDDB can identify them, but CDJ can't? How does CDJ assign CDJID? =
I looked at the slink-e data log during an ID process, and the only =
thing in common is the number of tracks and total length. So I looked =
for another set of two disks with the same number of tracks and same =
total length. In my collection of CD's I had one other set of two that =
matched these conditions. I tried this same experiment and neither CDDB =
or CDJ had a problem with this new set. Incidentally, I don't see any =
kind of disk ID number in the slink-e log, when attempting to ID a disk =
from CDDB. Is there really a disk ID number that is sent to CDDB and if =
so, why isn't it shown in the slink-e log?
Colby, I'm sure you have a good explanation, or solution. If not, I =
could throw both of the offending CD's your way, for experimentation. =
In my book, this is a low priority problem, but it does drive me crazy.
Slink-e, CDJ, DXS, and the new MiniDisk Manager are all great products! =
I use them all extensively with hardly a hitch. Not many =
hardware/software/mechanical interaction products that work together so =
seemlessly. Just ask the Mars exploration team. (Was that disgruntled =
DXS customer a member of that team and had just finished a really =
freakin bad week?)
Thanks for a great product,
Dave Hoen
dave.hoen@emulex.com
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From: Michael Roper
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 11:40 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] RE: Duplicate disk ID problem
Jeff, David suggested just burning a straight copy of one of the discs. =
This worked great for my situation. I didn't have to futz with altering =
track times or anything--just did my usual automagic digital source =
record and the timings are just different enough to resolve the conflict =
with CDDB. I also didn't need to do anything manual--the disc simply =
came up as an "inexact match" but as the correct album. I picked one of =
the offerings and from there it worked just like every other CD in my =
collection.
I'm guessing that "adding a few seconds" to one of the tracks is not =
necessary and is in fact why your friend didn't get a hit on CDDB.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Schaffer [mailto:jschaffe@mail1.nai.net]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:58 PM
To: Michael Roper
Cc: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] RE: Duplicate disk ID problem
No, I never got a response from Nirvis, although I sent a repeat to=20
slinkelist about 4-6 weeks ago. There was one early reply from=20
someone who made a copy of the cd but added a few seconds to one of=20
the songs, making the copy cd a different length so CDJ would see it=20
as a different disk. He had to manually type in the titles, though.
Nirvis, any help here?
>Hi Jeff. Did you ever get a decent solution to this problem? I've run
>into the same thing with two other CDs.
>
>Michael Roper
>michaelr@encraft.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Schaffer [mailto:jschaffe@mail1.nai.net]
>Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 7:20 PM
>To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
>Subject: Duplicate disk ID problem
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I've got two CDs (Liz Story/Solid Colors and The Oscar Peterson Trio=20
>+ 1: Clark Terry) that each have 10 tracks and are the same total=20
>length (40:52). CDJ gets them confused, but if I delete both from=20
>the library, it can successfully look up either disk from CDDB. I=20
>saved one entry (in text form), deleted it, looked up the other=20
>disk, and pasted (text) the first entry back into the library file.=20
>Now I get a duplicate disk ID error when I start CDJ. (Basically=20
>seems to work, but I can only play one of the conflicting disks).
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>Jeff
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