[slinkelist] How can I...
Colby Boles
cboles@socrates.berkeley.edu
Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:10:08 -0700
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colby Boles [mailto:cboles@nirvis.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 6:10 PM
> To: gtang@gtcons.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] How can I...
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>
> Some newer master players like the CX300 will pass thru while in
> pause if (and only if) there is a player at the slave ID on the
> same bus. Like Jayson said, the cross fade doesn't work though.
>
> Colby
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Tang, George
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:51 PM
> > To: Jayson R. Chitwood; Thomas W. Humphrey; Michael Holopainen;
> > slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] How can I...
> >
> >
> > I'm getting really confused now. I've read so many instances where the
> > master will allow the slave to come through when the master is in pause
> > mode. And yet I've read responses where the master does not.
> > Mine will not
> > allow the slave to come through when it's in pause mode. I'm
> wondering if
> > the different Megacontrol units behaves differently?
> >
> > -George
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jayson R. Chitwood
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:03 PM
> > To: Thomas W. Humphrey; Michael Holopainen; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] How can I...
> >
> >
> > Some interesting discussion -- but I disagree with a couple of
> > the comments
> > listed.....
> >
> > Master/Slave WILL work with CDJ -- MegaControl will not. To get
> > CDJ to work
> > with Master/Slave, connect the Slinke to the Master, connect
> the slave to
> > the master using a S-link cable (make sure you set the slave to 3 rather
> > than 2), connect the audio out of the slave to the audio in on
> the master,
> > connect the audio out on the master to your receiver.
> >
> > In this scenario, cross fade from CDJ will not work properly.
> BUT, audio
> > from the slave will pass through the master when the master is in
> > pause.......do not connect the Slinke to both changers, as CDJ will pick
> > this up as four players rather than two.
> >
> > To achieve cross fade with CDJ, you must make a passive mixer (as
> > alluded to
> > in prev posting). I was using the configuration mentioned above when I
> > first set up my Slinke/CDJ controls. I later made a trip to the Shack
> > (Radio Shack, that is) and made a passive mixer -- quite simple and only
> > about six bucks.......
> >
> > Jayson Chitwood
> > Memphis, TN
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Thomas W. Humphrey <TWHumphrey@fuse.net>
> > To: Michael Holopainen <michael@laserle.fi>; <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> > Cc: Colby Boles <cboles@nirvis.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 9:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] How can I...
> >
> >
> > > You hit a line of inquiry that I have been working on lately.
> Colby - I
> > > copied you directly to make sure I have all of this right, and to
> > highlight
> > > a suggested new CDJ feature mentioned near the end of this message....
> > >
> > > First of all, master-slave connections are incompatible with operation
> > under
> > > CDJ. CDJ will be trying to do things while the master is
> > trying to do the
> > > opposite. If you want to switch between CDJ control and a
> master-slave
> > > connection, you will need to set up a switched arrangement to
> change the
> > > connections of the changer when CDJ fires up and turns off. Colby has
> > this
> > > described at http://www.nirvis.com/masterslave.htm.
> > >
> > > CDJ has cross-fade controls under one of the tabs in "options".
> > Check it
> > > out, it works nicely.
> > >
> > > You need to understand that the master changer will not pass
> the analog
> > > signal through to its analog output if the master is in play OR PAUSE.
> > CDJ,
> > > when it pre-queues players (which is the best mode of operation), will
> > hold
> > > the master in pause at the next track while playing from the
> > slave. This
> > > means, when CDJ is operating, no audio will be passed through
> the master
> > > while the slave is playing, i.e., you won't hear the tracks
> > from the slave
> > > if you connect your amp to the master. The fix for this is a
> rewire of
> > the
> > > circuitry of the master changer, which is also documented at
> the Nirvis
> > site
> > > at http://www.nirvis.com/cx255mods.htm.
> > >
> > > A better way to go is to simply build a passive mixer and connect it
> > between
> > > the outputs of the changer and the input to your stereo. This is
> > documented
> > > at http://www.nirvis.com/mixers.htm.
> > >
> > > Answering your next question, in a master-slave hookup, the
> > master changer
> > > will NOT output digital audio for the slave. It will only
> output analog
> > > received through the analog slave audio input conneectors.
> If you want
> > > digital audio from both changers to be played by your
> receiver, you will
> > > need to set up digital multiplexing between the changers and
> > receiver, or
> > > connect the changers to different source inputs of the
> receiver, and use
> > CDJ
> > > events to change the receiver input. There are various options for
> > digital
> > > multiplexing, the best being the DXS that Nirvis sells.
> > >
> > > Careful, however. Right, now, all forms of digital
> > multiplexing are in my
> > > view unsatisfactory. First, you cannot digitally cross-fade,
> > and you will
> > > just have to live with that. Second, the receiver will take a
> > half-second
> > > or so to sync to a new digital stream (different changer)
> each time you
> > mux
> > > between streams, whether you do so by changing receiver inputs
> > or do so by
> > > muxing the stream before it enters the receiver. This means
> > you will not
> > > hear the first half-second or so of the first song played after
> > switching
> > > changers. Check this out by hooking two CD players/changers,
> optically,
> > to
> > > two optical inputs of your receiver. Play audio from one
> player/changer
> > > through the receiver while putting the other player/changer
> in pause at
> > the
> > > beginning of a song that starts loud. Then, switch to the
> > player/changer
> > in
> > > pause, and release the pause. You will lose a half-second or
> so of the
> > > song, no matter how long you wait between selecting the new input and
> > > releasing the pause. It is simply a fact that the receiver has
> > nothing in
> > > the optical signal to sync to until the music starts playing, and the
> > > receiver cannot get sync'ed fast enough to playback the
> beginning of the
> > > song.
> > >
> > > One of the nice things about CDJ is the ability to switch
> changers on a
> > > song-by-song basis, but the entertainment value of doing so is
> > substantially
> > > reduced when you lose the first half-second of each song. A lot of my
> > discs
> > > (particularly the hard rock one) start loud - losing this is
> > unacceptable.
> > >
> > > There are two solutions I have thought of:
> > >
> > > (1) set up CDJ to mute the receiver each time the changer
> > switches, start
> > > the new track, and then after one second or so of playback,
> > pause and do a
> > > |<< to return to the beginning of the track. Then un-mute the
> > amplifier,
> > > and then release the pause. This would give the receiver time
> > to sync to
> > > the new digital stream, without any audible artifact, and
> with the minor
> > > penalty of an extra one-second gap between songs when switching
> > changers.
> > > Unfortunately, a CDJ map file cannot be used to do this
> because CDJ does
> > not
> > > support a "delay" that would permit this kind of sequence. Colby - an
> > > option to perform this sequence with every changer switch, would be a
> > great
> > > feature to add to CDJ, for those of us trying to do digital switching.
> > > Alternatively, a "delay" command for map files could be used
> to achieve
> > the
> > > same result. Can you do either in your voluminous spare time?
> > >
> > > (2) Give up on the changers entirely, rip all of your discs to
> > MP3's on a
> > > mega hard drive (in my case, 30+ GB is needed), set up the
> > MP3's in CDJ as
> > > audio file albums, and have CDJ play them directly out of the
> > computer via
> > a
> > > sound card with an optical output jack. If the sound card had
> > an optical
> > > in, you could connect one changer full of discs to that input
> > and have CDJ
> > > mix MP3 and CD's. I looked but could not find a sound card
> > with multiple
> > > optical inputs, so I can't see how to do more than one
> changer this way.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps....
> > >
> > > Tom Humphrey
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Holopainen" <michael@laserle.fi>
> > > To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 6:23 AM
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] How can I...
> > >
> > >
> > > > How to rig cx350 as megachanger master conrolling slave cxXXX player
> > > > without it interfering slinke-CDJ operation ?
> > > >
> > > > Can I just link 1 slink cable from each play to slinke-box
> > and one cable
> > > >
> > > > _______
> > > > |cx350 |o-------o ______
> > > > |master| |Slinke|
> > > > |______|o | |
> > > > | o|______|
> > > > _______ | |
> > > > |slave |o |
> > > > |cx | |
> > > > |______|o-------J
> > > >
> > > > Or does this cause someshort of feedback or echo ?
> > > > Or do I just connect one slink cable from slave to
> CX350(mega master)
> > > > and another from cx350 to slinke_box ?
> > > >
> > > > What I want to do is use the horrible 2-way-"toy"-remote to
> > control both
> > > > (all) players while the pc is turned off and still be able
> to control
> > > > them via CDJ without any clitch.
> > > > Also is there anyway to use the x-fade on megachanger in CDJ ?
> > > > One more question these mega changers only have analog in, do
> > I get the
> > > > slave (analog) signal from the master TOS out ?
> > > > (in otherwords is there a A/D converter in cx350)
> > > >
> > > > -michael (A)
> > > >
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