[slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
W. John Guineau
guineau@earthlink.net
Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:08:07 -0800
My lan at home is a mix of 100 and 10Mbit and I have no problem on it at
all. My (slower - 2Mb) cable modem is a breeze as well.
john
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:07 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> How do you get any performance out of it? I found way too slow to be
> useable running over the LAN at home. I can't imagine using a modem.
>
> --Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Gautam Desai
> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:30 PM
> > To: 'keith.weldon@weldondesign.com'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Worldwide access is great when I am on the road and want to listen to my
> > music collection using a ShoutCast channel broadcast from my
> home. I just
> > fire up a browser make or load a playlist and have my own
> personal remote
> > jukebox. It is simply amazing. I've tried everything from
> > Windows Terminal
> > Server to PC Anywhere. VNC is far superior in its ability to do
> > multi-point
> > control (many machines can see and control a single machine).
> In addition
> > it can do so through a web browser or thin-client on everything from a
> > Windows based PC to Unix to a Win CE device! Best of all it's free.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keith Weldon [mailto:keith.weldon@weldondesign.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:57 PM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that
> > allows any web
> > browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
> > network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
> >
> > The client machine does not need the VNC client software to
> > remotely control
> > the server. All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP
> connectivity to the
> > server machine.
> >
> > If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the
> Internet, all you
> > would need to know is its IP address and password and you could
> control it
> > from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> > anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > The most obvious client server approach would be a web based
> version. Run
> > the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser
> > anywhere, and you
> > have complete control of the cds and mp3s. All the audio
> output from the
> > mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is
> running. This
> > would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> > probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not
> > be as clean
> > as the application.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...). I gave up on it.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Keith
> > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> > Control than
> > > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > > with DCOM and
> > > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> > >
> > > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> > each bedroom
> > > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> > CDJ and the
> > > Slink-e. This allows everyone to see or make changes to what
> is playing
> > > from any location in the house.
> > >
> > > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> > keyboard to search
> > > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> > >
> > > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> > multi-room control
> > > from PC control stations. Multi-room control from handheld
> > > remotes or wall
> > > mounted controls is a different story. But from PC's I can't
> think of a
> > > better solution than VNC.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Keith Weldon
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > > To: Michael Holopainen
> > > Cc: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> > >
> > > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > > controlling the host computer. However, while my laptop has
> a 1024X768
> > > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > > have to scroll
> > > around or mess with window sizing. Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> > -- if I was
> > > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> > would show
> >
> > > up on the server's screen.
> > >
> > > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> > don't use the
> > > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > > library/covers
> > > paths.
> > >
> > > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM
> was a poor
> > > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> > encapsulated HTTP
> > > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> > access from
> > > work... It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> > Slink-e from
> > > almost any OS or scripting language. However, in my situation,
> > > the pain of
> > > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> > >
> > > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > > about $50,
> > > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> > Telnet, putting
> > > DCOM to rest. I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> > redirector
> > > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > > DXS ports
> > > on the terminal server. Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > > connection to
> > > the Slink-e and DXS. I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > > around to
> > > messing with it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > > To: Igal, Saleh
> > > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you tried VNC ??
> > >
> > > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> > >
> > > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> > >
> > > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > > 6. Easy to set up
> > > 7. Small prog
> > > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > > actually works
> > > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> > >
> > > -michael (A)
> > >
> > > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > > slinkesrv.
> > > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists. If
> > I'm anywhere
> > > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ. It
> > > works great --
> > > I
> > > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > > >
> > > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > > configuration. First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> > data, so I
> > > have
> > > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> > Second, if
> > > CDJ
> > > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > > >
> > > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > > significant
> > > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server
> versus the
> > > > laptop. If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > > running CDJ
> > > on
> > > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > > >
> > > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> > and wireless
> > > LAN.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > > To: Slinke-List
> > > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > > >
> > > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> > simple way.
> > > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> > controlling a pair of
> > > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > > the PC to the
> > > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in
> the living
> > > room
> > > > to satellite speakers in the office. I did most of my
> > listening in the
> > > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was
> convenient enough.
> > > >
> > > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> > the living
> > > > room. I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > > office, but
> > > > now quite a bit more in the living room. I now want to
> > control the Sony
> > > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > > living
> > > > room.
> > > >
> > > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > > feedback
> > > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have
> already done
> > > > something similar. To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > > necessary to
> > > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> > the living
> > > room
> > > > and office.
> > > >
> > > > Ideas, anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > ================================================
> > > > Ron Tugender
> > > > 408-378-0777
> > > > ron@tugender.com
> > > >
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