[slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
Michael Holopainen
michael@laserle.fi
Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:09:14 +0200
I have been using (& promoting) VNC quite a while now and it is true
that above 800x600 rez and responces are noticiably slover. One thing
you can try is to go to Options in VIEWER (not "server") and limit
pixels transfer to 8-bit.
And another new (3.3.3R7) feature is SCALE = use 1000*800 server from
800x600 client screen.
I too have been meaning to read about VNC, but it is just so easy to use
& reliable that I haven't been motivated to study it.
-michael (A)
Schaaf John wrote:
>
> I am only using 800X600 but I can try higher res and let you know. I found
> it very acceptable. I am using it at work to remotely manage a MS Exchange
> server from my desktop. Sorry I don't have any further info. I have been
> meaning to read more about VNC. I just found out from this list that it
> supports html. I tested that and it seems the same speed.
>
> Good luck.
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:42 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
> Guess it's a matter of perception. My home setup is pretty similar to your
> setup. Perhaps screen size is critical. I'm running the server screen at
> 1024 x 768. CDJ is almost acceptable. My home automation app is unusable.
> Between poor cursor tracking and speed its too slow for me. Just wish there
> was a non-DCOM way of handling remote.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Schaaf John [mailto:JSchaaf@wyseadv.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:45 AM
> > To: 'Mike Kropp'; 'slinkelist@nirvis.com'
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Slow depends on your network and your computers. I use it at work and at
> > home. Home is between 2 Pentium 2-350mhz machines on a 10mbs network
> > (slower than my work machines)and it runs great. I even have remotely
> > controlled a p166mmx at work with no noticeable degreation. It is even
> > acceptable over a 26,400 modem connection.
> >
> > Now if I could only get it to connect to a machine at home on a
> > cable modem
> > through my firewall at work, aaaggghhh!
> >
> > My two cents worth,
> > John.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...). I gave up on it.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Keith
> > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> > Control than
> > > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > > with DCOM and
> > > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> > >
> > > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> > each bedroom
> > > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> > CDJ and the
> > > Slink-e. This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > > from any location in the house.
> > >
> > > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> > keyboard to search
> > > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> > >
> > > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> > multi-room control
> > > from PC control stations. Multi-room control from handheld
> > > remotes or wall
> > > mounted controls is a different story. But from PC's I can't think of a
> > > better solution than VNC.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Keith Weldon
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > > To: Michael Holopainen
> > > Cc: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> > >
> > > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > > controlling the host computer. However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > > have to scroll
> > > around or mess with window sizing. Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> > -- if I was
> > > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> > would show
> > > up on the server's screen.
> > >
> > > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> > don't use the
> > > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > > library/covers
> > > paths.
> > >
> > > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> > encapsulated HTTP
> > > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> > access from
> > > work... It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> > Slink-e from
> > > almost any OS or scripting language. However, in my situation,
> > > the pain of
> > > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> > >
> > > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > > about $50,
> > > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> > Telnet, putting
> > > DCOM to rest. I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> > redirector
> > > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > > DXS ports
> > > on the terminal server. Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > > connection to
> > > the Slink-e and DXS. I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > > around to
> > > messing with it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > > To: Igal, Saleh
> > > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you tried VNC ??
> > >
> > > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> > >
> > > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> > >
> > > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > > 6. Easy to set up
> > > 7. Small prog
> > > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > > actually works
> > > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> > >
> > > -michael (A)
> > >
> > > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > > slinkesrv.
> > > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists. If
> > I'm anywhere
> > > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ. It
> > > works great --
> > > I
> > > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > > >
> > > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > > configuration. First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> > data, so I
> > > have
> > > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> > Second, if
> > > CDJ
> > > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > > >
> > > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > > significant
> > > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > > laptop. If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > > running CDJ
> > > on
> > > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > > >
> > > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> > and wireless
> > > LAN.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > > To: Slinke-List
> > > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > > >
> > > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> > simple way.
> > > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> > controlling a pair of
> > > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > > the PC to the
> > > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > > room
> > > > to satellite speakers in the office. I did most of my
> > listening in the
> > > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > > >
> > > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> > the living
> > > > room. I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > > office, but
> > > > now quite a bit more in the living room. I now want to
> > control the Sony
> > > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > > living
> > > > room.
> > > >
> > > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > > feedback
> > > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > > something similar. To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > > necessary to
> > > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> > the living
> > > room
> > > > and office.
> > > >
> > > > Ideas, anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > ================================================
> > > > Ron Tugender
> > > > 408-378-0777
> > > > ron@tugender.com
> > > >
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