[slinkelist] Random play in newest version
Colby Boles
cboles@nirvis.com
Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:43:42 -0700
I've thought about all of these things before. The problem comes in defining
WHEN random play starts and stops. For example, you run random play for a
while and then stop it. Then you start random play again. Is it allowed to
replay tracks? How long after something has been played must you wait before
playing it again? Your choice might be different if you had a long set of
search results or a short one... Once you start putting too many
restrictions on what can be played, things start looking very non-random,
particularly if you don't have a large number of results to start with. I
could add something which refreshed the search every time a new random item
was added to the playlist so that recently played items would be removed
from the search...
Colby
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 12:30 PM
> To: Jay Pfaffman
> Cc: Colby Boles; Slink-e List
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Random play in newest version
>
>
> I don't keep that many in the playlist. Just 10 previous and five beyond.
> I suppose I could up it but that's not really the point.
>
> I had a five disc Sony player. I could put five discs in it, say shuffle
> all discs, it would play tracks randomly from the discs and then
> stop. Each
> track got played exactly once.
>
> What I'd like is for CDJ to take my search list, randomly go
> through it and
> play tracks (or discs) without repeating any until it has played them all.
> Generally, I don't get through them all but sometimes I do
> depending on the
> search. If I have a small search list, I'd still like to hear everything
> once before repeating. Perhaps a piece of data (not in the database)
> associated with each item in the search list for the pass. Start out at
> zero, each time a track is played, increment the value. When selecting a
> new track, look at that value and don't select it if it is the same as the
> current pass.
>
> Alternatively, refresh the search list from the search criteria
> periodically. This would move out old, already played entries, and bring
> new ones in that match the criteria (assuming the dates go by actual time
> rather than just the day - i.e., 9/22/00 2:55 PM is more than a
> week before
> 9/29/00 3:00 PM but 9/22/00 3:05 PM is not).
>
> I shouldn't have to artificially adjust my playlist random play
> settings to
> accomplish this.
>
> --Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jay Pfaffman
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 2:29 PM
> > To: Mike Kropp
> > Cc: Colby Boles; Slink-e List
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Random play in newest version
> >
> >
> > OK, I'll try again. I think that the latest CDJ (from a day or two ago)
> > knows not to add items which are in the play list. I've upped
> the number
> > of already-played songs in the playlist to 1000 (thinking again, 100 is
> > probably enough), so unless I listen on random for a very long time I
> > won't get dupes anymore.
> >
> > Jay Pfaffman pfaffman@relaxpc.com
> > +1-615-343-1720 (office) +1-615-460-9299 (home)
> > http://relax.ltc.vanderbilt.edu/~pfaffman/
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Mike Kropp wrote:
> >
> > > That's what I do too. What I object to is it pulling the same
> > track out of
> > > the search list more than once in a given session. What I'd
> > really like to
> > > see is the track get removed from the search list once it's
> added to the
> > > playlist (or at least when it's played).
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jay Pfaffman [mailto:pfaffman@relaxpc.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:31 PM
> > > > To: Mike Kropp
> > > > Cc: Colby Boles; Slink-e List
> > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Random play in newest version
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I use a search which matches only songs which haven't been
> > played for a
> > > > certain length of time (CDs added more recently are allowed
> > to replay more
> > > > often), which I think solves the problem that you're talking about &
> > > > continues to work after you've played all the songs. You can
> > already get
> > > > exactly the effect you're talking about if you search on
> the number of
> > > > times played field.
> > > >
> > > > Jay Pfaffman pfaffman@relaxpc.com
> > > > +1-615-343-1720 (office) +1-615-460-9299 (home)
> > > > http://relax.ltc.vanderbilt.edu/~pfaffman/
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Mike Kropp wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What about adding a 1a) hasn't already been played? Make
> > it more of a
> > > > > shuffle than a random.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Colby Boles
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:45 AM
> > > > > > To: Larry Laurel; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Random play in newest version
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > oops. it actually works exactly as I designed it to, it's
> > just that it
> > > > > > wasn't a good design criteria. It tries to randomly
> select things
> > > > > > which (in
> > > > > > order of priority)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. aren't already in the playlist
> > > > > > 2. aren't from the same player
> > > > > > 3. have a short queue time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > when you have only one player, criteria #2 will always fail, and
> > > > > > so it goes
> > > > > > to #3, which can only be satisfied by picking a track from the
> > > > > > same disc as
> > > > > > the previous track. I'll see what I can do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Colby
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Larry Laurel
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:15 AM
> > > > > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > > > Subject: [slinkelist] Random play in newest version
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Last night I downloaded and installed the 9/26/00
> > build of CDJ.
> > > > > > This all went off without a hitch, but when I select random
> > > > > play (this is
> > > > > > called "shuffle" on the toolbar and "random" on the menu bar)
> > > > > to populate
> > > > > > the playlist I get songs from a single CD only. Clearing
> > the playlist
> > > > > > repopulates it in the same way from a different (probably
> > > > > > randomly selected)
> > > > > > CD.
> > > > > > Colby, is there a new option in CDJ to control this
> > behavior, or is
> > > > > > this an intentional change, or do I hear you mumbling
> OOPS :-) It
> > > would
> > > > > > also be nice if random play could use the built-in
> > shuffle mode in the
> > > > > > changer. It is MUCH more random than that provided by
> > CDJ (in earlier
> > > > > > versions).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA,
> > > > > > Larry
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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